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"Science and the taboo of psi" with Dean Radin

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18 Ocak 2008 10:12:48
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Google Tech Talks
January, 16 2008

ABSTRACT

Do telepathy, clairvoyance and other "psi" abilities exist? The majority of the general population believes that they do, and yet fewer than one percent of mainstream academic institutions have any faculty known for their interest in these frequently reported experiences. Why is a topic of enduring and widespread interest met with such resounding silence in academia? The answer is not due to a lack of scientific evidence, or even to a lack of scientific interest, but rather involves a taboo. I will discuss the nature of this taboo, some of the empirical evidence and critical responses, and speculate on the implications.

Speaker: Dean Radin
Dean Radin is a researcher and author in the field of parapsychology. He is Senior Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and four-time former President of the Parapsychological Association. He holds an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering from the University of Massachusetts Amherst, and a masters degree in electrical engineering and a doctorate in educational psychology from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He has worked at AT&T Bell Labs and GTE Labs, mainly on human factors of advanced telecommunications products and services, and held appointments at Princeton University, Edinburgh University, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, SRI International, Interval Research Corporation, and Boundary Institute. At these facilities he was engaged in basic research on exceptional human capacities, principally psi phenomena.

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cloudmonkeys

at 1:12:29 I was attacked by a burning dog

cloudmonkeys

at 0:10:38 I levitated 50 feet. at 0:11:59 I imagined everyone in my neighborhood dying and they did die. at 1:34:58 I was stopped by stormtroopers who asked to see my papers. I told them that they didn't want to see my papers and they agreed and allowed me to drive on. at 0:17:34 I set fire to a dog with the power of my thoughts. at 0:19:17 nothing happened.

MetaphysicsAddict

well said.

MetaphysicsAddict

I'm sorry, but did you not watch this video? Radin sums up and cites replicated data from over 100 years worth of research, and he even left out some data! You need to say a whole lot more than what you've written in order to come close to refuting him. Of course, I recognize that the youtube forum isn't the ideal place. Perhaps you could make a video of your own? Do you have a camera?

AeiusCercle

I would say that is "a" reason but not "the" reason for lack of "scientific" interest (particularly in the "scientific establishment" this day). The CIA has also been known to suppress and manipulate a lot of information for global war-purposes. Saddam thought that the Navy Seals were going to storm their shores, but that was "manufactured" reporting, for the sake of getting Bagdad's forces to be out of Bagdad. Result? American military easily entered Bagdad. Psychology isn't so simple...

AeiusCercle

Believe me when I say that out of ALL subjects on the face of this ENTIRE PLANET, Parapsychology is the MOST-VICIOUSLY attacked, opposed and rejected, than ANYTHING else, despised by both "science" for delving into the subjective AND "religion" due to needing scientific-protocol to be understood. Believe me when I say that "the masses" are uncomfortable with change...especially if it's information that does not fit within their paradigm. Without being willing to explore one becomes dogmatic...

remiraz

The reason why there isn't scientific interest in "psi" is because there had been about 60 years of serious research regarding "psi" which came up empty. There were serious funding to the magnitude of millions of dollars. For example: the CIA spent $20mil researching remote viewing over many years. The Princeton Engineering Anomaly research department was mentioned in the video to have 3 decades of research experience related to "psi". However, they too have turn up nothing.

chad1love

we are capable of being doing and creating so much more than we know, but were too primal to realize it and do it. we fight too much and dont grow enough in our underachieving lives as earth dwelling humans in this age

MagnusHelmsman

Have you ever noticed how many people dismiss something that they don't understand? It's as if the unexplainable challenges their intellect and arrogance inhibits them from searching for the truth. To admit that the world is not as flat and logical as once believed dismantles a person's view of reality. I think it is cool but I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who would disagree and be pissed off that they wasted so much money on a bullshit education.

Gunnar125

Every person on earth can do it. But not every person on earth is ready for it. Imagine if everyone could do it today. The world would be a mess.

morri1234

Does anyone know what the criteria for miss/hit is in ganzfeld test? If the subject has vivid dream-like sensations during sensory deprivation, it's pretty likely that sooner or later he'll mention something that can be interperted as a hit.

RealPublic

That's why they are cutting the education- so people will get dump, give more money to the fast food corporations- to get us fat that makes us too lazy to strike and fight against them, tv propaganda- so they can turn our eyes from the real things which are going on, and "job"- more you work, better money you will get, BUT your personal life will blow away and you will realise there is no point fight against the system, coz you've got into it very deep.

Kane5581

You actually use about 95% of your brain, just not more than around 10% AT ONE TIME.

StarmanPhantom

Closed minded fools! *Beep*
Indeed that PSI is a true power! *Whirr*
It is no nonsense, it is the other 99% part of our mind that we don't use. *Boop*
Some of us practice, or some of us were born with the powers... *Beep*
But we all have the power... *Whirr*

TOAFN

People that don't take these subjects seriously are part of the control grid. Most of these people don't even realise that they are part of the supression. Accept that there are forces who don't want us to explore our true capabilities. These forces are in education, government, military, religion, science, financial systems. Disinformation and ridiculing subjects like these are definately a part of this. Just open your eyes.

ChristianDavis629

I, too, have had psychic experiences, for most of my life. It's just so irrating when you know closed minded people that dismiss it without looking at the evidence...or the proof, for that matter!

ChristianDavis629

I'm glad we haven't manifested it yet, for the same reasons you stated. Earth just isn't ready for it. But I'm willing to bet in our constant evolution that we will be able to use it in a good way.

Soulfree2008

I think its like you said, and evolutionary step we havent reached yet... Looking at our overall society, right now, Im a little thankful that we havent... Perhaps once we evolve past this primitive 'warlike' mentality, our subconscious will deem it safe to begin to explore these untapped regions of consciousness... It will give a whole new perspective to quantum science, and the way we fit into the universe around us, both the seen and unseen... :]

lumendelsol

I heard on coast to coast am, that a speaker was privy to a test cuonducted with a chi master in which cancer cells positioned thousands of miles away from the master were destroyed while in some containment box. The master had focused his chi to destroy the cells, which according to the researchers, he did. The side effect of the experiment was that no other cells were able to grow in the container thereafter. That could make a big difference with medicine or more mundane everyday application.

screenname10101

I don't think psi is infrequent. Telepathy seems to be very common, according to sheldrake's research.

screenname10101

*nods* thanks for the follow up.

YetcenOmega

:D Yay! -Y-

Soulfree2008

Indeed... I have been a martial artist all my life, and Chi has always been depicted as the link between the mind and the body allowing you to tap into inner ability. But there is no reason why the same force cant be applied to psionic energy.. So I agree... :}

YetcenOmega

as far as i know, chi actually means energy or air (depending on the culture). There is no "real" definition of chi, just a flow of energy that causes life to exist, and can also be manipulated. -Y-

Soulfree2008

Ok, then prove it. Move my penis with your mind, and I will know if you do...! :} Seriously, doesnt Chi, or Ki (depending on what Asian culture) have more to do with your mind's control over the body's abilities??

lumendelsol

Maybe the reason it's so infrequent is that its an evolutionary step we still all have to reach. Maybe the reason we can't access it on a global scale is our preparedness in coping with these new human abilities. Imagine the wrong type of people using this ability for selfish, or harmful needs. It could mean chaos on a mass scale,but then again imagine the good it could do for all of us. What if it manifested today. What would tomarrow be like when we all wake up in the morning. What a day huh?

YetcenOmega

Come on people, do you all live in the fuckn 1800's? PSI is just another word for Chi Control, which is just another "word" for the controlling the energies between the atoms. It's not that hard, and yes, I've had experience in mind reading, moving objects with my mind, and many others. It's not a new idea everyone, just practice, practice! -Y-

lostorfound19

i am not interested in proving it to others for my own reasons, only to educate others that it is a real thing, if it can be called a thing.

screenname10101

ah I replied to this, but youtube isn't posting it. Am I the only one who thinks youtube is the worst place for real dialogue (written dialogue)?

screenname10101

you don't need to prove it to other people. I think you just just appreciate your experiences without worrying what other people think. I've had "psychic" experiences as well - that I'm certain cannot be attributed to chance coincidence, self deception, etc. Those experiences feed into my worldview(s) and I really don't care what others think.

lostorfound19

what pisses me off is that i know i have had many experiences that where very real, but there is no way for me to prove it scientifically. Science teaches that human experience is paramount. Observation is the fundimential block in which all science is based. My experience leads me to be leave that it is at the very least a possibility.

spick134

How did u access it? Can u control it? thx for the info

Markisagoodboy

I have absolutely experienced it first hand. It has changed my life.

tomanyasses

ok thanks for reply,i read on edger casey about forty five years ago butt since my life has had some weird happenings i tend to think there is something to it.

aikiboy1111111

Actually, some parapsychologists, both skeptic and proponent alike, are dealing with a couple of the reasons as to why it is so infrequent. Marilyn Schlitz, a proponent, and Richard Wiseman, a skeptic, have been collaborating for quite a few studies on psychic staring, and Caroline Watt, has been investigating the possibility of various experimenter effects, including Clever Hans type effects, possibly influencing results based on the prior belief or lack thereof of the experimenter.

logosfails

robot fairy circus! McCain colludes with magic bunnies. He foo foo flounder bait.

tomanyasses

there is a high probability of psi in people being there butt it may be so small and unable to control and happen so infrequent psi is hard to prove.

tomanyasses

ok stop talking about obama he not really that dumb he has lot of idiots backing him with money

tomanyasses

good point this is for revo555

screenname10101

equating the longstanding scientific evidence for the reality of "psi" pheneomena with "pigs fly[ing]" is childish, absurd, and a patently false analogy. It's also a Dawkins-style conversation killer (which is NOT meant to suggest that God does or does not exist -- the existence of gods is a separate question).

screenname10101

who is the "single man with a fixation"? Radin or Hyman? Note that the statistically significant experiments cited by Radin have all ben replicated by independent investigators and have the support of many academics with training in statistics. Note that Hyman himself does *not* dispute the significance of the data (something you would have picked up on if you actualy watched the entire lecture here). Hyman says that "something interesting" is going on and doesn't claim fraud, file drawer, etc.

screenname10101

Do you not realize that statements like the one you just made require details and rational arguments to substantiate them? Do you not realize that many credentialed stataticians disagree with you? Do you not realize that the experiments in the video are replicated by independent investigators? What, precisely (and with adequate detail), is your beef with these experiments??

ateologu

Can you provide references by him or your "other scientists" or are we supposed to believe everything you say just because you made the effort to say it?

aikiboy1111111

Btw, that "good point" was directed at momerath, not revo.

aikiboy1111111

Good point.

Inannawhimsey

I think even Dr Hyman acknowledges that "something is going on here", since he, with other scientists, have ruled out other 'fraud, file drawer problem etc' explanations. So the state of the matter right now is to continue to do rigorous tests to find out just 'what' is going on, being careful to say only what is being found out and to not say what isn't being found out.

momerath42

If you give no detailed explanation of how their experiments are statistically "very questionable", you are just arguing from your own authority. I hope you would not wish people to take your word for it any more than the speaker in this video.

revo555

My work requires frequent use of advanced, robust statistical methods.The "experiments" and their design presented in this video are very questionable, although not immediately apparent to someone who doesn't have a very thorough knowledge of statistics and how you can actually get very inconclusive results by designing an experiment improperly.

logosfails

Awesome! I'm gonna start developing my psychic powers right away. If this talk proves one thing, it's that Google employs a huge number of those annoying kids who are always trying to demonstrate how smart they are in class. These are the sort who think exceedingly fast and shallow, skimming over the surface and soaking all bystanders with their sophomoric spuming.