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1jswensen
| And indeed they both were!! |
liquidfreak
| Under my thumb |
insaneguitarfreak
| that second character cracked me up LMAO |
loveupskirts
| one of the last intelligent rock stars who wasnt afraid to be smart |
Robbyjean
| He was so AWESOME!!!! |
Knugabug
| He knew MGM was ripping him off something terrible. Cooked books, crappy royalty rates, lotsa lawyers....so he goes to Warner Bros. and gets toasted there. |
WyldeWannabe
| thee man |
drzer2
| I didn't compare them, i said that they were both pioneers. |
mingusfan
| I wish I could have met this extraordinary man! |
Mommywhereareu
| How can you possibly compare led zepplien to zappa. Come on man. geez louis |
84gail84
| droog I want to meet your dad!! |
mokaey
| r.i.p. |
Maddiecake
| I think Frank Zappa is completely brilliant (and intelligent as well, which is completely FANTASTIC) |
Ryphius
| ..First video ever to be banned by MTV actually. |
obgyno
| you certainly never took enough time to explore his work. he put a looot more effort on his music than in his "freak image" but nobody(almost) really cared about it. some pieces like strictly genteel, rollo, dog breah/uncle meat and many others are absolute masterpieces. just take some of your time and you will see that what your saying is really not founded. |
hhoh12
| in the same way elvis was |
shrewrepair
| but what you lost will not be found... do you know what you are ? you are what you is ... you is what you am |
drzer2
| But Led Zeppelin was still pioneers. |
hhoh12
| frank zappa was NOT a "rock musician who fiddled around with an orchestra." Frank zappa was a twentieth century composer first and only turned to making rock-band style music to make ends meet... and even then, most of his music could hardly be considered rock. Have you even heard the London Symphony Orchestra playing his compositions? Have you even heard pieces like Overture to Holiday in Berlin or the stuff from Hot Rats? Please learn a little bit more about this guy before you brush him off. |
hhoh12
| ahahaha "Pioneers like Led Zeppelin" more like pioneers like the blacks they stole from |
droogzombie
| My dad looks like frank zappa. |
droogzombie
| Haha :D I went back to hear it and cracked up. That is awesome :D |
gungagin
| I wasn't into his music, but I can appreciate his creativity and originality. |
dinastein44
| I have to say however, that it's really interesting to have this discussion with you. You obviously know a great deal about music and I really respect it that you didn't bite my head off like most utube users do when I express a different opinion to theirs. You should hear the cursing I get treated to! What's more in some ways you even convinced me, insofar that I went and listened to more of Zappa's works. I'll never be an actual convert I'm afraid, but I admit but he does deserve some credit. |
dinastein44
| Many people, even professional musicians, might claim Zappa to be a genius, fair enough. Otherwise why would the orch. bother to faff around with him? They have their reputation to consider. So far so good. But I still think that if he hadn't been so busy showing off his freakiness and concentrated more on simply making music, no doubt he would have made better use of his undeniable talents. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. (to be continued) |
3shiftgtr
| dinastein44-What did he change? Not enough space here. Do the research. But don't look for cultural influence. Look for specific MUSICAL influence. Not popularity, lyrics, or public perception. His influence paved the way for so much in rock, pop, and serious "new" orchestral music. When guys like Varese say he's amazing, we'd all better listen. Look, I'm not a big fan. I like some stuff, but I don't view it as a culture consumer. Genius comes with regard & disregard in many forms & opinions. |
dinastein44
| I'll grant you that, he made an impact in the 70s by being daring, different. But has it lasted? I don't know. What did he change in music, other than that people say, oh yeah, Zappa, the freaky one, he did some interesting stuff. True, "Rite of Spring" was jeered at in the beginning but Stravinsky did have some influence on what came later - Schönberg, Webern etc. Zappa may be an acknowledged genius (acknowledged by whom though?) It's just that his so-called genius is lost on me. |
3shiftgtr
| dinastein44-I hear ya. Respect your opinion. I don't like some of his stuff (some lyrics too), but I recognize his contribution. You don't have to be popular or even good to change music, and that is what this discussion is about. His contribution changed music, not just spun a style (the vernacular vs. language metaphor again). "Rite of Spring" was reviled and argued against for decades until credible sources were able to articulate it's value in terms. Zappa is a recognized geinus. |
dinastein44
| But I'm still not convinced that the piece was good. You may be right about the orch. members - no opinions allowed, though I like to think they don't quite get treated like robots, but like prof. musicians with a mind of their own. But I digress. The piece may have been devilishly difficult, but was it good? Mozart, Scarlatti, Grieg and Stravinsky wrote some technically simple - but great - works. How is "good" defined anyway? As I said before, it's my OPINION that Zappa was overrated, no more. |
3shiftgtr
| dinastein44-Let's say a kid starts at 9 yrs & loves it so much he practices & works & learns for 8 hours/day for 10 years. When he starts to play for a living, he must choose a path. Art, commerce, or both. Serious musicians choose art. 20 years later it is 6 hours a day. The violinist was considered to be THE BEST in Europe as 1st chair 4 that orch.has 2 candidates globally. Musically, what does it take 4 him 2 make that statement? 1st chairs don't express opinions, or they're gone. |
dinastein44
| You're right, lyrics are not music. But would his music have the same impact without the lyrics? Even if some of them are shit. As for the violinist's remark, he may have meant "impossible to execute" not as purely technical, but as musically nonsensical. I myself play a few instruments on an amateur basis and can identify a little with the violinist. And if Zappa himself claimed his guys could do the part, he should have given the band his music and left the orchestra alone, virtuosos and all. |
nbarrasse
| hes got a way to easily get his message and view across! i love his causality |
3shiftgtr
| dinastein44-Good point about his lyrics. But again his lyrics have a cultural impact are not directly musical. Serious music might be defined as 'music for music's sake'. Songs aren't written, music is composed. Zappa was a composer, and his work reflects this sensibility. That's why he needed true virtuosos. 1st chair violinist from the LSO to Zappa "This part is impossible to execute." Zappa's retort? "The guys in my rock band can do it." That's not fiddling w/ an orch., that's serious music. |
dinastein44
| What exactly is "serious" music? Must music be serious? See, that's not what I meant. Even Bach, Mozart and others made musical badineries. So? Zappa was a rock musician who fiddled around with an orchestra. What came out of it is a matter of taste. I am not a musicologist, he may have had potential. But I meant what I said about him being too full of himself to actually realize his talents. Also, he spent too much energy smart-arsing with his lyrics. That is not completely irrelevant, I find. |
3shiftgtr
| dinastsein44-As there is vernacular, and then there is the language; there is style, and then there is changing music. Mixing and spinning styles is vernacular (Zep, Harum, etc), but introducing and expanding on post modernism in a rock ensemble context, changed the language. And we are talking about music not lyrics. Lyrics are cultural in origin and effect, whereas "serious" music exists connected to, but not dependent on, the lyrics and culture. Musiology 101, m'am. |
averylicious22
| His compositions were amazing every note he put in them was there for a reason. He was also more creative then Led Zeppelin and a much better guitar player then most of his peers. |
wudgeypudger
| the adventures of greggory peccary is so funny! |
dinastein44
| How exactly did he change music? I'm only an amateur musician but I really think it was pioneers like "Led Zeppelin", Procol Harum" or "Iron Butterfly" who made rock to what it is today. Sure, Zappa undeniably had his own distinct style, even though it's not to my taste. As I said before, he had a sense of humor though he often abused it, eg. in "Jewish Princess" or "Idiot Bastard Son" which are plain disgusting. In what way was his music more serious than "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida", for instance? |
3shiftgtr
| dinastein44-With respect for your opinion and lack of desire to 'conflict', I am honestly curious as to why you don't agree. Not wanting to start a flame-throwing match, just curious. |
dinastein44
| Thanks, even though I'm not saying I agree. It's always interesting to hear other opinions and I really don't thrive on conflict. It's true though, he did have a sense of humour. |
3shiftgtr
| dinastein44-no one here obviously does know how important. So I'll tell ya. He changed music. Fist, he completely raised the bar in rock ensemble musicianship to a whole new level. To play his stuff you had to be a trained, world class, virtuoso. Second, he used compositional concepts in rock music that no one has before or since. He was the first rock musician to be satirical and funny, while having completely serious music. He was the first in the...Jeez, 100 posts might fit most of it. |
3shiftgtr
| dig the lone clapper at 3:04. Musta been at the show. |
explosionsfrommybutt
| You are a pathetic human being. |
reetromansi
| genio zappa, saludos desde argentina |
Penguinpoppers
| No no no, no boxes have been open (I hope) And dynamoehumm that was my bad and my lack of humour lol. All boxes must me closed!! |
dinastein44
| Ooops. I seem to have opened a Pandora's box. |
dynamoehummm
| Exactly Pengunpoppers. Because his videos show a musical taste of ass. Plus ass. Its also full off Zappa lyrics I thought' ya catch. Get to work! lol. Im glad most people don't like Zappa. lol I just wanted to mess with dinapuffer lol im just not that funny ;) |
Penguinpoppers
| OK i kinda agree with Dinastein but everything you just said was gay.....really gay |
dynamoehummm
| Dinastein: You could not be more right. You are saying what not probably lots, but MOST people think. And you are a strong and courageous hero to take on the emperor. I had your awesome video of Celtic Woman - A New Journey - You Raise Me Up. It was like, Like Dagmar! Far and away! I felt drawn up like in a spout, and it was winking at me. By elven druids of Dromodosis, and then wrapped up, as if in chocoalate, and strapped on again, fatherly says: |
dynamoehummm
| onlyicecreaman: Funny? I'm not tough enough to get into hell? I was with Warner Bros. for EIGHT FCKIN YEARS! You want some mora? Right Cheer, on the floora? How bout you dinastien fauna? Ya wanna? |
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