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08 Nisan 2008 20:56:45
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GiveMeNoLies
| Excellent video! 5/5 |
mskydolphin
| Thanks for the video. An amazing twin demolition plus one. It seems odd that the plane's aluminum wings cut through the outer steel columns, but did vertually no damage to the Pentagon windows. The empty hole in Shanksville is weird too as I've seen pictures of a plane that smaked full speed into a mountainside and still had recognisable parts. Not to mention Norad's zero out of four blunder. What a giant waste of Tax dollars they are. |
Freedomlover911
| And a big Amen to that :) |
seneca67
| Good point. Your chief is right to withhold that. -Out of respect for those who have passed on. I remember the suit alarms. That is when i lost whatever grip i had left. Everyone there knew the danger, but there they remained, focused on their jobs, rushing to save lives. You know, brick and steel is nothing compared to the human spirit. God bless them. |
Freedomlover911
| "May I see the fellow with the flash burn?" One of these days my chief may let me have a copy of it but he still doesn't let it out of his hands. He was one of the search and rescue personnel at GZ. One of the hardest parts about what I do is I remember all too well the victims. My chief always reminds us of everything he saw those two weeks he spent under the pile. I see new pictures all the time that I really don't want to talk about. I'm glad I didn't have to work this one. |
seneca67
| Regrading slurry, there are two phase components: one is dust laden water, te other high density aerated dust. After heating from compression this can behave lake a pyroclastic flow. Compressed air, heavily laden with dust, is so dense it behaves like a liquid, and flows very fast. People are burned, overwhelmed and buried under such flows. It was difficult to write this. Let us never forget the people who died. |
seneca67
| I did not explain because you did not ask. We first start with the massive potential energy of a falling mass (the towers), and the concrete. Next time you have access to concrete mix, feel it. It is actually a very finely ground dust. So fine, that it can pass through garbage bag plastic. Any time concrete is crushed, or cut, you get dust. As the building fell, dust laden air was compressed. Compression causes temp to rise. May I see the fellow with the flash burn? I am curious about that. |
Freedomlover911
| And based on your explanation, it still doesn't explain how concrete, glass, building materials, asbestos, etc was pulverized to 100micron size, also the heat transfer in the super heated slurry that washed out into the streets of lower Manhattan. I have seen a picture of a man sitting in the park who was flash fried from the debris. He was still sitting on a park bench close to the towers covered in ash. Whatcha got for that one? |
seneca67
| Many people assume there is a need for the floors columns to collapse sequentially, however the columns run through the floors and are interconnected by trusses. The design was built to handle a static load. (Force of weight) At the moment of structural failure, the massive load acquires velocity and momentum>> momentum = ½ mass * Velocity^2. As you can see the force acting on the remaining structure will have negligible resistance within a few milliseconds. |
Freedomlover911
| Sure, what about everything crashing down with no resistance in free fall speed timing? I'm sure you have a good explanation for that. What's the "official" line on that one? |
seneca67
| Maybe I work for the Government? and maybe osama sits at a desk in a cubicle right next to me. If he does I still think he is a jerk, because he stole my stapler. Did you read my last post? Please answer the question, are there any other pertinent factors? |
Freedomlover911
| Uh huh. You know that was the same thing a guy said on the street when interviewed by FoxNews right after it happened. Remember the guy with the Harley D (shirt/hat?). The original scripted story hasn't changed yet. Same for Osama, the original script is still played for the public while the FBI says that there is no evidence of his involvement whatsoever. Go figure. |
seneca67
| thank you. Of course governments lie, and often. But, so do people with certain political agendas to push. The critical facts here are that the fire did not go out instantly, but lasted for a duration of time, as fuel and oxygen permitted. Within that duration that was enough heat energy introduced to weaken the steal, reducing it's resiliency ,and strength below the force of load it carried. Are there any other pertinent factors? |
Freedomlover911
| You're just funnin' with me. Cooking noodles has nothing to do with structural steel. hardeeharhar. Anyway, so you think that gov'ts don't lie? Wow, where have you been the last 8 years? Hell, the last 50? Where were you in 1917 when a sparsely populated congress passed the "Federal Reserve Act", giving a private bank ownership of our monetary system? Oh, born yesterday were ya? Yeah, I believe everything the gov't tells me...uh, not. Good one 67. |
seneca67
| If only what were true? My government? It is hard to guess what my government might know, but, I assure you, water does increase in temperature if you place it over a flame. In fact, everything does. I am heating water for some for noodles as i write this. I' will let you know if something odd happens, like a noodle freeze. |
seneca67
| "Why would it increase" because as long as chemical energy is converted to heat (combustion) and that rate of heat introduced is less then the rate of dissipation, the average molecular energy will increase (temperature). If you place a pot of water on a flame, will it increase in temperature? Of course it will, until it boils, which provides a means to dissipate heat at the same rate as introduced. Was there enough oxygen to sustain the fire? Yes. |
Freedomlover911
| If only that were true...I've been searching for evidence to corroborate your (the govts) version for 5 years. Nothing conclusive so far...whatcha got? You know of something that will make me a believer? |
Freedomlover911
| What color should the smoke have been if temperature was increasing? Why would it increase, and how does an oxygen starved carbon fire melt steel? |
seneca67
| So, , yes it was hot enough to reduce the load bearing capacity of the steel. Yes some hijackers got inboard some jets and flew them into the buildings. That is what happened. |
seneca67
| Terms: heat is molecular kinetic energy,, Temperature is the average molecular energy. Combustion is exothermic which releases energy thus, introduction of heat to the environment thus increasing temperature. The fire lasted for some time, and as long as burning occurred heat energy was introduced. Temperature would increase until rate of heat input = heat dissipation. |
Freedomlover911
| Well, we never saw any hijackers, "UA175" was not identifiable as a UA jet IMHO, the "heat dissipation" you refer to, the jet fuel was immediately burned upon impact and heat from furniture/carpeting/paper etc is not hot enough to melt steel. The "calorimetric rate of heat introduced" or the dissipation of such is called "wicking". Indeed the amount of steel in the towers was quite substantial to allow any and all wicking short of a blast furnace parked on the building. |
seneca67
| The guys acknowledges what we all saw, and then says" but, there is more than meets the eye" and according to him, that unseen factor is his high opinion of the architecture. I applaud that he actually mentioned the issue of heat dissipation, but he neglected to consider the calorimetric rate of heat introduced, which was higher, then the rate of dissipation. (Total fuel burned in given time.) At the end of the day, we still have hijackers, airplanes and building collapses. That is what we sa |
rjs87
| okay i have one more question for you. If the "truth" movement's wish for another investigation was granted, and the investigation came to the same conclusion that has already been reached...would you be satisfied? |
Freedomlover911
| I never wanted this my friend. Now all that is important is the truth. You are not able to see it. Good day :) |
rjs87
| "It just so happens that I may get my wish soon. I just need to hear it for myself before I post it here and share it with every TV network in the nation. This should be good :)". That's right, freedomlover, you WANT to believe it's an inside job, don't you. Pretty fuckin sick. |
Freedomlover911
| You act as though I always thought "inside job" and jump on any clue no matter how ludicrous as proof. I am still not 100% convinced, and I won't be until certain things come to light. It just so happens that I may get my wish soon. I just need to hear it for myself before I post it here and share it with every TV network in the nation. This should be good :) |
rjs87
| okay so you're basically saying that NIST is "paid off". prove them wrong. and with REAL EVIDENCE. I suppose you think the ASCE is also a government shill group. or how 'bout Leslie Robertson...is he paid off by the government too?? I'm not telling you to BLINDLY believe what they say. I'm telling you that if you have an alternative explanation, it better be backed up with real science...none of that "steel buildings dont collapse from fire" bullshit... |
Freedomlover911
| So you completely trust the government and their "scientists" who are paid for their "expert" opinions? Are you asking me to blindly trust everything the government says? You want me to believe the "experts" who are in their pocket? Why? |
rjs87
| now you're acting like a creationist again. creationists assume that atheists are evil heathens. and "truthers" assume that debunkers haven't bothered looking into the "official story". you also assume that i support Bush and his war. I dont "blindly" swallow the "government's story" either. I've seen Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries. They're crap. Complete crap. 9/11 troothers truly are religious. They will NEVER admit they're wrong and simply ignore evidence that doesn't fit their view. |
rjs87
| ok. so why do you believe stephen jones and richard gage but not the other professional organizations, scientists, and engineers who have studied the world trade center collapses? science is not on the truth movement's side. |
Freedomlover911
| Blindly believing in the "official" narrative of what took place on 9/11 makes you the classic example of a faith-based creationist. Now THAT is an equivalent comparison. Don't believe your eyes....swallow any doubts....Arabs did it...they are barbarians...we must kill them all...invade their countries...build better killing machines...spreading democracy...stay the course...weapons of mass destruction...they hate our freedoms...go shopping! (you reply) brains....brains....brains.... |
Freedomlover911
| rjs87, it is you, the pot calling the kettle black. Creationists are "faith" based wingnuts. I am a "doubting Thomas". I need to see and understand for myself. That makes me a true skeptic. You don't know me personally or my specific views, so you can not lump me into your "truther tards" theory. Unlike "creationists", I base my understanding on common sense and physics. I do not trust anyone to make my choices or control my understanding. That is how you get burned. I think for myself. Do you? |
rjs87
| oh i will. The conspiracy you "truther" tards describe is impossible-- unbelievably stupid in its conception, pointlessly baroque and excessive in its particulars, but flawless in its execution, with no concrete evidence left behind and thousands of "shills" keeping their roles a secret forever. It's hard, if not impossible , to separate someone like you from a creationist. You believe something with no evidence, and in contradiction to a mountain of evidence. Go back to sleep, deluded one. |
Freedomlover911
| uh huh, poke fun genius boy. |
rjs87
| yeah me and the popular mechanics team are totally CIA shills. watch out for those black helicopters and chemtrails, man....they're everywhere!!! |
Freedomlover911
| Debunked??? LOL, by who... Popular Mechanics? You mean the article by that guy related to Michael Chertoff the current Homeland Security czar? Do tell... CIA shill, whatever LOL. You give yourself too much credit! |
rjs87
| *yawn*. you must have been living under a rock for the past few years. this has been debunked. get over it. |
Freedomlover911
| I have come to the same conclusions bro. |
KKKn50cal
| lol, we all should own oil stock!!!!!! Yeah, you may be right. I think the whole thing is being engineered. The middle class will become as extinct as a dinosaur. We will become dependent on the gov to save us from high prices and in the process will lose some more of our rights. Wait and see! It will happen. |
Freedomlover911
| I see you do pay attention. I don't think that falling dollar is an accident though. No one getting pinched like us middle to lower income folks. It's all I can do to hedge my losses at the pump with some oil stock! |
KKKn50cal
| The prices could have gone up without invading Iraq. They went up in the 70's. Actually in 1973 the price went from around $0.20/.25 up to $0.50 with a long line. After the rag-head oil embargo ended the prices settled to just under 50cents/gallon. Now speculators buy oil futures. Oil bought today that will be pumped next month. The falling value of the dollar on the world market doesn't help. When is the last time America drilled for oil or built a new refinery? |
Freedomlover911
| Partially correct. We also wanted to control the oil spigot to get prices up. It worked. |
KKKn50cal
| I don't think we went to war for 9/11. If so we should have stayed in Afganistan or we should have invaded Saudi Arabia. We went to war for private contractors and Haliburton. |
Freedomlover911
| Unanswered questions is why I go about looking for the answers. It is those "unanswered questions" that are the reasons Jorge took us to war. The more you look into it, the more suspicious it appears. I had to find out for myself. I was surprised to find military hardware being used on 9/11. Military hardware I was trained on. It is my profile video. |
KKKn50cal
| Don't think so much as it could be hazardous to your health. Well you can't light it with a match if that is what you want to know. If you have ever (I doubt you have though) watched a jet of any kind crash, you'd know that they burst into flames and burn at a very HIGH temperature. No consider what would possible happen with a million pound jetliner going 300 (+) mph hitting a building would do! Jorge (traitor) Bush is still an idiot. There are still unanswered ???? about what happened. |
Freedomlover911
| Highly flammable? How "flammable" is diesel? Kerosene? Do you know what JP5 is and how hot it burns? Hmmmm, me thinks no. |
KKKn50cal
| More bullshit is all I can say. These buildings were hit by a million pound jetliner full of highly flamable fuel. duh |
HYakamo
| Of course some shill will come along and point out that Arlington fire dept was able to respond to the Pentagon fire much quicker than the NYC firefighters were able to respond. But, how long would it take for a 1200-1800 degree fire to burn out would, couple of minutes is all it would need. Wood=Highly flammable compared to Steel. |
HYakamo
| Not to mention the Jet Fuel explosion at the WTC buildings was suppose to have been able to melt/weaken steel. Yet Jet fuel explosion at the Pentagon was unable to burn wooden furniture,a book, and a computer. |
zappamannn
| no steel structured high rise building has ever collapsed due to fire other than @ WTC on 9-11 |
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